The young man tells the old man that he's better than him, and that he still refuses to admit defeat. The old man says that the old woman is already a granny, because she's been using her cultivation to keep her youthful appearance, and she doesn't want to lose that. He says that even if she were to use her cultivation as a way to maintain her youth, she'd have lost all her "girlish charm" already. He also says that this old woman has been cooped up inside the royal sect, and hasn't even seen a woman. He tells her that he has brought the young man here to see if the boy can learn from him, not to fight with her. He explains that the boy is born with fire-attributes, and he'll give him a branch of earth-sea flame, which is the "heart of the earth" . It's also "inherently violent" , which means that it's not just yang-flame, but also "drastic fire," which means "metamorphosing." He also explains that he can use the moon-spirit of ice-heart to subdue intelligent flame, but he says that as a water-cultur, he can't use the same thing, because the moon spirit is also a water treasure, and it can cool the world. He adds that the intelligent flame is as famous as the intelligent fire, but that it can also freeze everything, so that even ordinary cultivators can use it to get twice the results with half the work. He promises that he will get it for the young woman.