In this short scene, Valere does not compete directly with him, but rather, he compliments him on his appearance. Valere is impressed by the fact that the ocean king is watching them, and he is sure that he will soon be able to earn a living as a professional fisherman. He also praises his friend horadric, who does not look at him in the eye. He says that he needs to do something important with his friend, and the two of them discuss the possibility of using a shield to protect themselves from the sun. The red obsidian essence, which Valere modified earlier, has made a big difference in the system. He predicts that it will be necessary to use it again in the future.