In this chapter, we learn that the "god" of the sun is not a human, but a "neo-human" . This is because humans are made of "blood and flesh" , not "soul elements" like the sun and the moon. The only outcome for humans is to be crushed, and the only way for the "holy knights" to achieve this is to destroy "arrogant guys like you." The two men have different views on this issue, and neither wants to interfere in the other's business.