The two of them discuss the meaning of "casual" and the difference between being "formal" and being "casual." The two decide to keep their pants on, and the conversation turns to the fact that they were both born out of "sperm or cheese." The narrator tells the boy that his parents were not in the picture when he was growing up, and that he had to prove to his older brother that he could take care of himself without his father's supervision. The narrator then tells the story of his brother, who was a police officer and who was murdered.