Otori tells her that she has killed five snake eyes with her own spear. Otori says that she is sorry for scaring the carriage and for messing it with blood. She tells him to throw the spear, and he does so. He asks if he should be the one who kills the snake, and she says that killing a dog would not be a good idea, since he would want to give her for it. She says that if she kills two by herself, she will not be able to feel the threat, and that she should break the remaining five spears into seven pieces to make the other women feel that the threat is closing in on them. She asks if she should just throw the carriage out and get inside first, since it was not one of the women. She then asks if the men are going to pay her for this, and the men answer that they will, and then she says she will pay them later