When Tobino asks what the heralds look like, he is told that they are "shape-fat" . He is also told that there are only two people left in the area, and that they will not be able to find him. He says that he will kill the herald if he sees him, but that he is not sure what to do if he does not die. He asks the herald why the monster turned into a monster, and the herald replies that the monster didn't turn into a giant afro-like thing, but a "geny love." He then asks if they can even kill the monster if they don't prepare themselves, and he says that if they freeze up again, they will be unable to help him. The herald says that they planned to whack the monster after they took care of sagawa, but now that he has become a monster , they can't even kill him by themselves. He wonders if they will kill him if he is immortal or something, and wonders if he should switch to the side of the shiomis if he wants to stay alive.