The two of them discuss how they're going to get rid of Ming, and Ming says he's going to ask someone to help them. He doesn't want Ming to think about how Ming is still in control of her. Ming says that Ming is loyal to his master, and that he won't try to drive them apart. Ming also says that they'll be impatient to get revenge, because both Ming and the Empress are good people, and they've been kind to Ming and Ming's family in the past. Ming is worried about the Empress and the Dowager, and he says that he'll use their kindnesses as leverage to get Ming and his master revenge.