The next morning, the two men converse. They know each other, but they don't recognize each other's identities. They're not sure if they're talking to each other because they've known each other for a long time, or because they know they know one another's names. The first man asks the second man if he knows who broke his item. The second man says he does, and the first man says it's because he wants revenge on the man who broke it. The man asks if he's wrong, but the man doesn't. He's just disgusted by the man's desire to be a dream healer, even though he has no ability to do so. He wants the man to terminate the man from his position as a healer and accept him as his disciple. He also wants to know if it would be better if the man were to take a disciple like him instead of the boy who broke the item? The man says that's not a good idea, because the boy is not his disciple, and he won't be taking him in. He says that the man has made a mistake, and that he is the talented one who's made the mistake. The two men discuss the fact that they can't really control all of the men at once, because they have no power to protect themselves like they do in the group.