This chapter opens with a conversation between the two men. The first man asks the second man if he is trying to find a solution to the problem. The second man says that he will do so if he can stay silent. He asks the first man if there is anything he can do to help the other man. The man replies that he is not a threat to him. He says that killing the man right here will not cause any problems. He then asks the man why he should waste time talking to the elders when he can just kill them all by force. He tells the man that killing him is the only way he can save the man from himself. He goes on to say that he just wants to kill the man so that he can take him away from him. The two men argue about whether or not the elders should be allowed to keep the peace in the world.