Captain D.s. Winters asks the artist if they love each other, and the artist replies that they do. The two men discuss the play, which is set in Hiromyo's world. The captain asks if the audience liked the play because of its depiction of a sexual relationship between a man and a woman, but the artist assures him that they did not. The artist then changes the subject, asking the captain if he even watched the play. The Captain replies that he did not, and that the play was too explicit for the particular book it was based on. The author, however, offers the artist a carte blanche to change the subject of the book, and he does so. He tells the artist that if the protagonist can change, chances are that there will be more people disguised as citizens in the future. The men agree that they can kill the protagonist all day, but that they have to get the traitor back. They also have to find out who the traitor is, and hang him from the wall until he is dead