Now that he's done snaring people's bodies, the old man wants to know what's up. He's got a lot of tricks up his sleeve, he says, and he'd like to kill him. The old man says he'll explain later, but first, he wants to make sure that the young man doesn't know about body snatching. He also wants to see if he can figure out a way to get rid of him, since he has the power to do so. The young man is confused, and says he can't figure out how to do anything against the old guy. He thinks that the "chen songchi" in the book might be a fake name, and that he might be able to use that to his advantage.